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mike
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Just curious if anyone knows if either of them can read sheet music. Question came up after seeing Sir Paul live last night (awesome btw)and was talking with my friend about actual musicianship in modern bands. I recall seeing the Foo Fighters live last year and Dave Grohl bragged neither he nor Taylor Hawkins can read sheet music, which isn't something to brag about in my opinion.
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YouEvil
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Good question. Don't know the answer, but good question.
How was Sir Paul? I saw him live back in 1993 here in Minneapolis. I was in junior high at that point, but it was a very good show and I enjoyed it. Have seen some clips and videos since then, just wondering if the old guy's still got it.
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As an aside - awesome. He came on just after eight and played for more than three hours straight - no drinks of water or anything other than some breaks for anecdotes. At age 68! He talked about seeing Jimi Hendrix play for the first time, learning ukulele from Harrison, and playing in Red Square and meeting dignitaries who learned English from listening to Beatles songs. Also it was the 45th anniversary to the day of them playing Shea Stadium. He did a lot of his solo and Wings stuff (Live and Let Die was good) but of course the Beatles music was the highlight. He did All My Loving, The Long and Winding Road, Blackbird, Eleanor Rigby, Paperback Writer, Let It Be, Hey Jude and probably a few others I'm forgetting. He switched between bass, guitar, two pianos, a ukulele and a mandolin and sung every song, of which by my count was around 30.
For me, to see him singing Paperback Writer and playing the original upside-down Epiphone Casino he used to record it originally was definitely a "bucket list" type experience.
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Danleary
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In an interview Dan said “We stopped talking about time signatures a long time ago” so they obviously don't use much music theory when they make their songs. Whether they can read music, I have no idea.
And I agree, I don't understand why people brag about stuff like that. Alot of the Hendrix fanatics say that too, "oh he's so amazing he didn't read music" but Hendrix himself said he wished that he DID know how and that he planned on going to music school, but he died before he had the chance.
And unrelated, but it reminds me of how many friends I have who brag about their drug tolerances. Why the fuck would you brag about something like that?
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Danleary
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Not to go off on a rant, but there are also these retards out there who think it's better NOT to know any theory. The funny thing is, these people still follow the laws of theory when they make music, they are just not aware of it.
It's like saying that if you don't know what gravity is, you somehow have an advantage over people who do. You're gonna be stuck on the ground regardless, and the ones who do are probably more likely to create a mystical flying device.
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cgt465
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So many people 'bragged' about not being able to read music, from Hendrix to SRV, I guess the people latching onto the 'brag' is "See?? SRV/Hendrix/?? could play that well, write those songs without being able to read sheet music!!"
Well, you're talking about .00001% of the population that can do it that well. I can read music for piano, but not for guitar, it's just a matter of patience and learning (I have no patience..)
Side-side note, I saw Sir Paul last year, right about now, and it was about as perfect as it could be. From his banter with the crowd at Fenway to talking about John and George and Ringo, playing "I've Got A Feeling" (one of my favorite Beatles songs) to Live and Let Die, the guy at 68 rocks as hard as people half or less than half his age.
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Danleary
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I can't speak for SRV, but Hendrix didn't brag about it, if anything he was ashamed of it. It's the fans of Hendrix that brag about it. These are the same ones who only see Hendrix as some kind of acid drenched god and think all of his songs are about smoking weed. As a Hendrix fan, most other Hendrix fans thoroughly piss me off.
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I don't see how it would be something to brag about at all. I have been playing guitar for 8 years or so now and I haven't technically had lessons but I have always done research into music and music theory. And I have found whenever I learn something new about theory I move forward in leaps and bounds rather than just playing more power chords! Haha theory is good shit and it is very useful for songwriting especially in my opinion. I'd love to go to music school and learn all the proper shit.
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Its important to know a little bit of theory, atleast just the basics, you have to start somewhere and having knowledge of musical theory to build off of can be really helpful, even if you arent super strict about it everytime you play.
I used to get so frustrated in music class in grade school when we watched videos about the Suzuki Method. I hated how these little kids could listen to something and play it, without reading a note. While Im busting my ass the old fashion way with some cranky old lady trying to complete one measure.
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Chris "Hokes" Dorgan
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I can read sheet music, i played french horn and tenor horn and obviously the recorder back in school  for guitar though i dont really think about it too much. once music gets to a certain stage off the stave and time signatures get a bit mad i'm no use. i really want to learn my scales more and get a better grounding in chords so that im not getting stuck in samey patterns and relyin on what i feel. if i new more about music i would no where i can go with relations to the chords and wouldnt get so stuck or stale.
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Danleary
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Suzuki method... that's because young children have more neuron connections in their brains so they are able to learn things at a WAY faster rate. As you get older you lose more and more connections and only keep the ones you used.
That's one reason why the western world is getting dumber and dumber, grade school education standards are so low... I remember in grade school all I was taught was to read, basic math, the year Columbus discovered the world is no longer flat, and the rest was babysitting really, it's fucking ridiculous how little faith we have in the intelligence of children.
And I'm fucking serious about the flat thing, you hear that all the time, but it was first or second grade and the teacher REALLY told us people used to think you'd fall off the edge of the ocean, and this was the reason Columbus was so brave for his journey. And this is fucking New York state, we are supposed to have one of the best education systems in America. No wonder there's incest in Alabama...
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Danleary - 35 minutes ago »
Suzuki method... that's because young children have more neuron connections in their brains so they are able to learn things at a WAY faster rate. As you get older you lose more and more connections and only keep the ones you used.
That's one reason why the western world is getting dumber and dumber, grade school education standards are so low... I remember in grade school all I was taught was to read, basic math, the year Columbus discovered the world is no longer flat, and the rest was babysitting really, it's fucking ridiculous how little faith we have in the intelligence of children.
And I'm fucking serious about the flat thing, you hear that all the time, but it was first or second grade and the teacher REALLY told us people used to think you'd fall off the edge of the ocean, and this was the reason Columbus was so brave for his journey. And this is fucking New York state, we are supposed to have one of the best education systems in America. No wonder there's incest in Alabama...
i just read a study today, and detroit has 23% male high school graduation rate. that's fucking pathetic man.
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Danleary
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Oh and when I say grade school I mean K-5 really, elementary school. Just want to clarify that. High school is not nearly as bad in NY, but there's an inconsistency with the quality of teachers. Some of the teachers I had, I wonder how they were able to get the job. My financial management teacher spent a whole class explaining how this mug had "congratulations" spelled wrong, as "congradulations," then she pulls the mug out of a drawer and passed it around the class. How the fuck she filled 80 minutes of time with this, seriously.
And once there was a bomb threat. Same teacher... the rest of the building evacuated, she tried to make us wait in the class while she escorted the kid with diabetes (who also had some kind of growth disorder, he looked like he was 12 years old and needed someone to follow him everywhere) to the nurse because it was time for his insulin shot. THE NURSE ALREADY EVACUATED.
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