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I can read music very well, and taught public school music for many years and I have mixed feelings on it's application with guitar. Some of the reason very few guitar players read are:

1)The technical skill of a player develops much faster than the reading of rhythms/notes.
2)Many people that learn guitar want to learn rock music, which has very complex written rhythms.
3) Guitar is often learned and taught in a folk setting. "How do it go?" "Thanks"
4) Recordings are readily available. Ever try to read tab for a song you haven't heard?
5) Written music has to be written out! My drummer and I both read music very well, and we still just listen to recordings to learn them.

There are many more reasons, some good some bad. I'm not saying it is overall better for the player and it certainly makes rehearsing harder, and makes it so you have to memorize more but that is just part of it.
Lastly, I was a Music Major is college on Trumpet and always avoided being too theory-based on guitar. I just wanted something different in my music making. More of a release. I didn't want to over think. This probably has helped some on the creative side, but ultimately slowed my total understanding of the guitar. I accept that and know that I go back and change my approach but I never do. I know my scales and I can move them to different frets and that works pretty well on guitar.

Lastly, there is no way Pat (or Jimi) would play the way he does with formal training! A teacher would've smacked those sticks right out of his hand and taught him proper technique which probably would've caused him to sound like a lot of other drummers. I believe there is some value in that overall. Less time conforming probably causes a lot of people to hit a wall technically but when someone figures out something unique, and it works, you really got something.

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I agree that written music really isn't the most important thing for guitar, but not about theory in general.

Example, someone who knows and practices the blues and pentatonic scales will be able to learn a blues tune by ear exponentially faster than someone who doesn't. And some might learn the scale over time on their own without realizing it, but it would have been a much faster process if they invested in the theory first.

And another thing, people seem to think training stops you from being yourself. And I do see their point, my guitar teacher hates it when I use the thumb grip instead of classical, or when I fret notes with my ring finger rather than my pinky, but I do it anyways because I know it has pros and cons regardless of what some book said. And like you said with Pat's stick grip. But then again, would that stuff even be considered music theory? I'd call it technique, not so much theory.

And all the guitar gods who learned on their own, they actually didn't do it on their own if you really think about it. They learned by emulating other players.

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and i reckon a shitload of good players would have had a lot of trained good players around them.

if i play with someone who is better than me i learn something, so a lesson right? i just didnt pay for it but it is still a lesson.

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And then you've got the other side of the coin, guys like Jimmy Page, I'm pretty sure that he was formally trained. I think I read that somewhere but I'm not much of a Page nut so I could be wrong

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I totally agree with jmJohnson40. I was musically "trained" as a trumpet player but then I picked up guitar and taught myself.

In the end, it's whatever works and you just know it when you hear it.

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jmjohnson40

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All true. Jimmy Page was an exception. I suppose what I am thinking about is more formal training. Especially classical playing, theory and such. The tread started as "do D & P read music?" Just going back to that a little with my rant.

Magic and Dan, we are in aggreement. Thought, I wouldn't call jamming with someone better than you taking a formal lesson, even though you are learning a great deal from it. I agree that no one gets great on their own but there is a certain leeway given to let guitar players be their own player more so than on most classical instruments that are more difficult to gain fluid control of. Guitar is very difficult to master but very very easy to get started on. Mistakes in form can be made and you will still get by or possible create your own voice.

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Yea i agree a base in knowledge massively helps. now i think with guitar, its all about being yourself. Theres so many players out there and fantastic guitarists that unless your spell binding at technique theres no way to shine. Find your own sound, and style and let loose, thats all i can say really. My style is very messy, often on solos i am clipping other strings, but it works for the style of music we were playing.

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It's also nice to be able to say "alright blues in Ab" and everyone in the band is on the same page, you can jam out and it'll all sound good. Pretty much all of the big names had that much theory down.

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