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Morgan

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Mirby 2.0:
Thanks man! I follow your stuff with care!
I have a smitty pedal MFZ-1 clone indeed. I use it more like an overdrive pedal, with or without an Ibanez TS9 through it to get more mids. I can't play loud so I got this overdrive little fuzzy gritt sound like that.
Smitty clone is a good pedal but I don't feel the excact feeling of an original Maestro MFZ-1 I guess, that I hear on The Big Come Up. Not so far, but I hunt for authenticity! Need to get back some money to affoard an original then!
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Well here's a gutshot of your Smitty clone...

I see he used the correct IC, so that's a good sign. Lots of folks think the TL072 is correct, and I guess in a way it kind of is, but I think the TL022CP is a more faithful recreation of the original chip. That's what I use in mine. And that is what Smitty used too.
I can't tell what values his capacitors are but the output cap (C8) is supposed to be .22uF per the original scematic and his looks a bit large. Could be that he used a cap rated for higher voltage, or it could be that he "improved" things by increasing the size of the cap. It seems like he was going for an exact replica of the original (since he put the knobs on the sides, etc) so I have no real reason to think he has altered the circuit. Who knows. I do know that someone posted a vero layout on the web called "Hydrosis" which is the MFZ-1 circuit with a larger input capacitor (for more bass) and there may have been other mods too. I think that layout calls for the TL072 instead of the TL022CP. I don't know, I didn't mess with it. I used to own an original MFZ-1 and so when I set out to build a clone, I wanted an EXACT clone - no mods.
Mine sound like the original (from what I remember it sounded like, it was many years ago). I really enjoy the pedal though. And others do too. It was a great big mess actually. I got help from the fine folks over at freestompboxes.org, especially a very nice guy named "Torchy". He and the other guys there helped me learn to build the first clone and it was great. I made some soundclips http://www.myspace.com/handrolledfx and people on some other forums were really itching to have their own. So I was giving them the links and info on how to build their own but most of them said "no way man I don't know how to solder and I don't want to learn, I just want to pay you to build me one". So I built a dozen of them and sold them. Then word got back to the guys at freestompboxes.org that I had sold some pedals and people blew it way out of proportion and thought I had started up some company and was making millions of dollars. It took a long time to calm everything down and explain what was going on. The moral of the story is that I should have asked Torchy first if it was okay for me to build a few for others. I wasn't making any money really. I charged $115 a piece which was $15 for shipping and shipping materials, then the parts and the shipping for parts was around $60 (would cost much less if I was buying in bulk) and back then I just started building pedals so it took me 4 hours to complete one. So I was making $10 an hour. Not a get rich quick scheme by any means. Why am I telling you all this? I have no fucking idea.
Oh, right, I was trying to figure out why your Smitty clone doesn't sound like the original (in your opinion).
Well above you have the guts of the smitty, and here you have the guts of an original Maestro MFZ-1...

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The obvious differences between the Smitty and the original...

Smitty used metal film resistors whereas the original used carbon. Metal are +/- 1% whereas carbon is +/- 5% so metal is more precise and does help reduce noise, but some folks believe there is "mojo" in those carbon resistors.

Smitty used open jacks whereas the original uses enclosed jacks. Makes no difference.

It all looks right other than that - 3 film caps, 2 ceramic disc caps, 3 electrolytic caps, 7 resistors, 3 diodes, 2 pots, the IC. But again, I can't confirm the values of the caps and some of his resistors are hiding behind caps or wires so I can't tell what the values are.

Most Smitty clones I've seen don't have an on/off LED. The original didn't have one either. So it does seem he's going for an exact clone (no mods). The MFZ-1 clones I build nowadays, I always include an LED. I'm really not sure why Smitty used a 3PDT switch - if he's not adding an LED he only needed a DPDT switch. You can see in the gutshot he isn't even using 3 lugs on the 3PDT. The switch he used costs about $3-$4 more than a DPDT.

So in short, it looks like he did a decent job cloning it. But it's hard to say for sure if it's a 100% accurate replica.

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PS- Morgan, I see that Smitty used an IC socket, which means you can easily swap that TL022CP chip out and try a different one. Maybe the sound you're looking for can be found that way? Those IC's only cost a buck or two. Might be worth looking into. You could try a TL072 or some others.

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I have one of those Smitty Meastro Clones as well. To my ears it sounds very close to the guitarfuzz sound on TBCU. Can't play it with a hollowbody because of the gain though. And it's very noisy, like the original is supposed to be. According to Smitty he cloned it as close to the original as possible. ( except for the metalfilm caps.)

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Morgan

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Well thanks for this amazing describtion/analysis.
I confirm smitty did à very good job! nothing to say! my point was certainly not to criticise his pedal, I am very happy with it.
I m just turning fanatic of Tbk sound and trying to get most authentic sound as possible(how if not with an authentic pedal even if clones are really good and more affordable). doesn't mean my pedal is not doing à great job. just want to collect all those original vintage pieces of art to feel their guts ya know! thanks again you are astonishing

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Did some of you guys ever try to open a Maestro MFZ-1?
Is it easy to disassemble this big baby?
How far can you seperate the pieces?
Thanks

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