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What have been the main reasons for the black keys' success

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brucini

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I was recently contacted by journalist looking to do an article for a major newspaper about the increasing popularity of the black keys.

over the years the more i thought i knew, made me realise how little i know. and, in any case, any "knowledge" i thought i had was only really opinion masquerading as fact.

the journalist had their own thesis but i reckon there's not one thing that's been key.

nevertheless, i thought maybe it might be interesting to get the fans' view and then pass this on

my off the top of my head list of reasons:

> Heavy touring. From day one few bands without a bona fide radio hit can fill 5000+ seat venues, even before Brothers

> Signing to a major label (Warners/Nonesuch) that has given the band freedom to pursue their own vision but have resources behind them to give the a big push. This enabled dan and pat's talents to mature and grow slowly rather than try and please others and fade away.

> Pure talent. It slowly rises to the top and provides longevityFew have the connection and singular musicianship of dan and pat that is rooted in an american musical experience

> Work ethic. Who else releases as many albums so consistently as well as side projects. Cummulative effect, added with touring

> Use of external Producers after the relatively modest sales of Magic Potion. Danger Mouse and Mark Neill brought additional production ideas, enabled them to realise their vision

> Music Licensing - the band make more money from commercially licensing their music than they do from anything else. Witness: all the commercials, tv shows, video games use

> Tapping into a new generation of lsteners, not just those into the "blues rock" genere or whatever people want to call their sound. Witness Twilight soundtrack

> Radio - Tighten Up is the first song they have consciously written to be a a hit for radio. They themselves have noted it as the biggest recent reason

what do you think?

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I'd also add, genuine, non-pretentious music that appeals to a diverse demographic and sounding like themselves but changing it up to keep it fresh; not stagnating.

This is completely unrelated but as a big fan of The Who I always saw a parallel path in the two bands. Both gaining popularity early, with a strong fanbase, but still not big enough to make a huge impact. Both spectacular live 'acts' that everyone clamors to see.

Then after years of intense work and stuggle, having an album that almost becomes bigger than the sum of the band, propelling them into super-stardom. To me, Brothers is like TBK's "Tommy", and hopefully their next album will be a maturation and expansion on what made them successful (much like Who's Next was)

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what was the article on here a year or so ago? "The Black Keys are famous for intro's to their songs"

I know that sounds shitty, but part true.

i would have to add the simplicity. Two man group. Not very popular so when a band is "decent" people will take notice. Lucky us this band was GREAT!

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Appealing to indie kids and their parents, channeling the best elements of Rock and Roll.

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Chris "Hokes" Dorgan

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My opinion is that many many people (especially in the UK) want to like music like the Black Keys but before Brothers they didn't have the cool factor. They weren't really in many magazines except the hardcore ones and basically because the vast majority hadn't been told by radio or by NME that indeed the "Black Keys" are cool, they didn't give them the time of day.

We've had a few things culminate together this year as stated, they've been on the Radio more so the indie kids and none "blues lovers" had exposure to them. We know there are people out there who like Rock n Roll as can be seen by KoL's success and the resurgence of the Rolling Stones and their fans n fans of students who only two years ago would have sneared at dancing to Sympathy for the Devil while out on the ale, and still probably wouldn't be able to name their albums or influences - ooh ooh yea! But the vast majority of their new fans are the same as TBK's they need to be spoon fed and told it's ok to like the Band. Twilight being one major factor, but i also think that "cool" films such as Rock n Rolla/Black Snake Moan etc also helped. Lets be honest besides fans of classic rock, rock n roll, blues, whatever you want to call it everyone else is pretty clueless or scared of admitting they like that kind of music due to their social circles.

I've always said to everyone i know, if i can get you to a gig no matter what music they are into, Dance, R n B, Folk, Radio 1 specials, Pop, if i can get people to TBK gig they will love them especially those who like KoL and other pop rock bands haha. And that was proved when i dragged about 6 of my friends to the Liverpool gig, they loved them. they just need to be guided there and i think twilight and other films have helped do that.

But taking away those things and the new influx of fans who needed to be directed to them I think it's a mixture of awesome riffs and songs which people have been longing for but no one really has provided properly since the 60's/70's. Also it sounds cliche but their passion for the music (which sometimes i worry is dwindling due to the exasperating tour schedule, maybe it's time they slowed the touring down a bit, wrote more material for us but also got their gigs in more demand, control the supply and demand factor) anyways i digress, where was i... ah passion and meaning within the tunes, they don't sound forced or fake. Obviously the last two albums have had well known producers involved which has made the music industry seriously take note, and therefore written about but also made their music has become a lot more marketable to people who may not like just a roaring guitar.

The solid fan base that was built up over a long period of time ensures that the band has grown steadily from my first gig which was a packed out Leadmill Venue in Sheffield full of balding men their wives with probably about 50 people my age (probably more but you get the picture) all just nodding along until the last few songs, then I saw them in Leeds Uni, next minute there was a lot more people my age and in their 30's with the balding men and wives at the back. Now since being on WB (which has all the pluses and drawbacks we've spoken about in length here), writing more radio friendly songs and also writing songs which can be enjoyed by people who aren't as into their blues (i know i know) or their rock riffs, guitar overdrive etc etc so the the fan base has become even younger 16 - 18/19 making up most of the "mosh pit" area of the venues lol with us 20 - 30 somethings closely surrounding them followed by our balding friends around the edges and at the back

The UK is a weird place, people worry about the image of the Band and what people will think of them for likin that Band. It's like an underground thing among students to like Bands and people almost have a contest like i would say have you heard of the Black Keys (3 to 4 years ago when i was in uni) and someone would be like ah man yes no one has heard of them awesome, n they would go have you heard of *insert obscure band name*. so it was sorta cool to like unknown bands, but this has bubbled up now and now its cool to like previously "unknown" bands who really are making it big so it's no longer underground, but people still kid themselves that they are because they aren't always on Radio 1.... haha i hope all that makes sense and you know what i'm trying to get across in this mammoth post.

But to sum it all up, they just have awesome tunes there is no two ways about it, without good songs they wouldn't have got so popular. They have brilliant songs. Put any keys song on and say you don't like it and want to switch it off.... er it would be hard to find one. With other bands i could list 3 at least per album. I think their dabbling with the past but keeping it fresh just works and there is always going to be an audience and fans for that kind of music, hailing back to the glory days

apologies for the epic post, i ramble, i need to learn how to be concise. x

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arguably the best epic ramble on tbkfl ever that did make sense

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Haha thanks man, i could do with editing some of the mistakes out, but then it wouldn't be a "hokes post" if it was all right lol. Oh and re reading i've just basically said what you said except it takes 4 days to read thats how i roll, plagiarise, make longer and worse!

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The commercials are a huge factor, no doubt. You can't flip a channel and go 20 minutes without hearing a Keys song in a commercial. And the radio factor, in my opinion, is nill. Hell, it only took 7 freaking albums to get TBK regular rotation on the stations in Cleveland! (and they STILL don't play anything past I got Mine!) And it wasn't due to the substance of the music not being there. It was the big machine that is the music industry that they needed to get on and ride to get the air play. But radio sucks, and is dead. I don't have the numbers, but i'd say the majority of music listeners under the age of 30 spend most of there time listening to music on an Mp3 player, I phone, ect. They don't want to listen to 20 minutes of commercials to get to 40 minutes of crap on the dial. So they p2p and share with friends the stuff that is good. And Touring touring touring helps immensely. But the bottom line is something as good and solid as The Black Keys is too good not to be noticed, even if it takes 7 albums.

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Marketing. Talent and work ethic is so insignificant compared to what proper marketing can do. It's not pretty but it's the truth.

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@danleary very true mon fres, it's such a shame!

@dustyreeds BBC Radio 1 still gets a hell of a lot of listeners in UK and basically anything they push (which most of the time is absolute and utter shite, artists that i wouldn't piss on if the icelandic volcanic eruption had just jizzed on their faces) will become popular. its a cartel thats all it is. disgusts me!

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I 100% agree with hokes. He's onto it. I'm a tad sick of the tighten up success honestly. Get over it. It has whistling at the start. Woohoo.

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Danleary - 2 hours ago  » 
Marketing. Talent and work ethic is so insignificant compared to what proper marketing can do. It's not pretty but it's the truth.

Word. For some insight go to the introductions thread and compare how the "veterans" first heard the Keys to the mediums through which newer fans have. Inevitably it's word of mouth, friend-of-a-friend type stuff, versus hearing a song in a movie or on TV or through Itunes. Perhaps that should be made an "official" question - how did you come by TBK?

I do have to give the nod to Hokes for post of the day. He said what I couldn't in many fewer words.

"Since huge quantities of information can be computer-digitalized and transmitted, music researchers could, for example, swap records over the Net with "essentially perfect fidelity."
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The Black Keys dress up kit, Dan's boots, the Next Girl video, selling 16 versions of the same record, hearing their music on PBS, CBS, NBC, Comedy Central, ESPN, AMC, The Cooking Channel, Animal Planet, etc...but mainly the dress up kit.

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Danleary - 13 hours ago  » 
Marketing. Talent and work ethic is so insignificant compared to what proper marketing can do. It's not pretty but it's the truth.

Warner Brothers and Q-Prime. Whoever makes the contacts for all the press, advertising, tv and film licensing. They can get a song on the radio. Push it to the grammy and industry folk.

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I think that the main reason for the Keys' success and increasing popularity is simply that it's about bloody time...
They're extremely talented guys, who produce top quality music, and I think they've waited long enough to get the recognition they deserve.

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